Sunday, September 13, 2009
Students select Reformation after 1547 documents (group C)
Please post by Sat., Sept. 19 or before as a comment which 3 documents about which you would most want to lead discussion for week 4. Sept. 17. Key and Bucholz, Sources and Debates, ch. 3 (post-1547). Add one sentence for each document about why you like that document or think it would work well in class. (I will email you which one document you will be working on once I have your submissions.) Sign your comment with your first name and last initial.
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3.11 Henry wanted to become the head of the church, but wanted to keep traditions the same.
3.13 The Archbishop's reply to the Devon rebels demands. ( This would be my first choice.)
3.9 The clergy submits to Henry.
Don S.
My choices in order
1. 3.17 John Foxe documents words about people who were burnt under Mary. Focusing on two important burnings, Bishop Nicholas Ridley and Hugh Latimer. I want to learn more about where his information is from and what is bias is if any.
2. 3.13 I think this controversy with religion would be extremely important to examine together as a group.
3. 3.15 The Vocayon of Johan Bale
I want to figure out if his story is reliable to what actually occurred at this time.
Lauren D.
3.16- I question, as Renard did, why burn the heretics? What is its efficiency but to strike fear into those who do not conform.
3.17- To show the cruel acts (the burnings of Bishops Nicholas Ridley and Hugh Latimer) that were done to those who went against the churches reforms put in place under Mary.
3.15- I am curious on how the Irish react to the new Reformation and Johan Bale's attitude within the document.
Katie P.
3.10 The Pontefract Articles are about the Pilgrimage of Grace; an uprising against Henry VIII.
3.14 Robert Parkyn's Narrative of the Reformation talks about rule under a Protestant Edward VI and then after his death, rule under a Catholic Mary I.
-My first choice
3.18 The Elizabethan Injunctions talks about how the Church will be restored.
Tara O'Donoghue
3.16 Describes the persecution of protestants who refused to return to the old faith. (first choice)
3.15 It appears that Irish embraced the return to the catholic faith.
3.18 Elizabeth restores the crowns power over the church
Tom Kiely
Don S 3.13 The Archbishop's reply to the Devon rebels demands. (Ok, but your description doesn’t at all suggest why you want to work on this one or why you think it important: note Cranmer’s outrage over their demands; and note their Cornish [Devon is next to Cornwall and many of the rebels were Cornish] anti-English demands.
Lauren D. 3.17 John Foxe documents words about people who were burnt under Mary. Focusing on two important burnings, Bishop Nicholas Ridley and Hugh Latimer. I want to learn more about where his information is from and what is bias is if any. [Very good. Foxe is central to an understanding why the Reformation succeeded. His bias is extreme; yet he also went to extremes to find good source, oral/eyewitness, etc. How does one judge his veracity?]
Katie P. 3.16- I question, as Renard did, why burn the heretics? What is its efficiency but to strike fear into those who do not conform.[Good, though note in the sourcebook both the carrot and the stick approach. The document is very brief and I will see if I can find an additional source for you on this.]
Tara O. 3.14 Robert Parkyn's Narrative of the Reformation talks about rule under a Protestant Edward VI and then after his death, rule under a Catholic Mary I. [Yes, a Catholic view of the changes under Edward (bad) and then the return to the old faith under Mary (good).]
Tom K. 3.15 It appears that Irish embraced the return to the catholic faith. [And Bale, who also edited the Askew examinations, 3.12, hated it. Note how historians might be able to use/weigh the evidence of someone so biased.]
No responses yet from Andrew M, Mark W, Alex S, Nathan E, Andy M. I will assign them additional sources outside the readings, when I here from them.
Sorry I'm late posting to this Dr. Key...since 3.13, 3.14, 3.15, 3.16, and 3.17 seem to be already assigned, I would be happy to do 3.18. I think a good way to approach this one would be to compare and contrast the changes in ritual as noted in the comments before the document. Also explaining which church, Henry's, Edwards, or Mary's would be re-established is another interesting angle to address. Let me know what you think.
Mark W.
I would be interested in the following...
3.14- This shows how the people reacted to Mary re-reforming the church.
3.18- This source is Elizabeth undoing the re-reformation of Mary and bringing the church back of old.
3.16- In this, Mary begins accusing protestants of being heretics and burns them at the stake. You get an idea that most people were not in favor of this.
Nathan E.
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