Thursday, September 04, 2008

Discussion Leaders' documents, group 1, chapter 2

His 3100, Fall 2008, Discussion Group Assignments: Post a ranked list of 3 documents from ch. 2, Sources and Debates with 1-2 sentences on each explaining what the class should get out of those documents by September 9 (by noon)

I will then draw up a list of 5 documents which the whole class should read and the group will then be responsible for presenting the documents Sept. 11 to the class, ask questions, present context (using: other documents in the chapter and its introduction, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford English Dictionary, and textbook), and, if necessary, begin the discussion between themselves.

7 comments:

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balkanization said...

2.5 (from the handout) Act Settling the Crown on Richard III and his Descendants (1484) because Richard III writes about how law was "perverted" under Edward IV, even though Edward was Richard's brother! This trashing of the Yorkist claim to the throne is not going to look good in 1485 when he faces an armed invasion by Henry Tudor (soon to be Henry VII). [There is a Richard III society, but sometimes he is just difficult to make look good.]

2.7 (from the book, but also 2.9 in the handout) Francis Bacon on the Character of Henry VII (1622) because it mentions Henry's pet monkey and animals are cool. Also, the story of the pet monkey, which might be made up, is useful because Henry VII was very suspicious/careful and kept records of good things and bad things that his courtiers did and the monkey tore up his notebook, which made all the courtiers laugh (and probably feel relieved).

2.9 (from the book, but also 2.14 in the handout) John Skelton ("Why Come Ye Not to Court?, 1522) because it is a satirical poem that points out all the power that Cardinal (or Archbishop, he had a number of titles) Wolsey had under Henry VIII. Obviously no one should have more power than the king, but the poem hints that Wolsey's palace had a lot more than the king's. [Henry VIII would later seize Wolsey's palaces and Hampton Court is still a royal palace today, reminding one that power was a difficult game.]

Newton K

Anonymous said...

2.10 (from the handout) The Declaration of "Richard IV" (ca. 1485)

This document is about how "Richard IV" escaped from the Tower of London when he was a child. It also states that Henry VII is a "mortal enemy". Basically it states "Richard IV" or Perkin Warbeck as the heir to the throne.

2.3 (from the book) Richard III's Proclamation against Henry (June 23, 1485)

Richard III is telling the country that Henry has no legitimate claim to the throne of England. Richard is warning the country against Henry and his claim.

2.5 (from the book) Trial and Execution of Perkin Warbeck and Others (November 18-December 4, 1499)

This document is about how the executions of Perkin Warbeck (the man who was said to be "Richard IV") and his followers came to be. More specifically it gives us the details of the Earl of Warwick and Perkin Warbecks deaths.

Kayla D.

Tyler Williams said...

2.2 (handout)
Edward returns from France seeking to settle public unrest over the costly war. He executes criminals for theft and murder - including his servants. To make money, instead of taxing the people, he seizes royal estates and exacts fines on those who have obtained land illegally.

2.4 (book)
Henry explains the various reasons why he should be kind and why Richard should not. He claims Richard and his companions are corrupt murderers who unlawfully deny the Tudor lineal right to the throne. Henry also assures his army victory because Richard is forcing men who are actually loyal to Henry to fight against their will.

2.5 (book)
This document describes the executions of the different pretenders to the thrown. Bodies of the executed are displayed in symbolic fashion.

Anonymous said...

2.4 (from the book) Henry's speech to his army before the battle of bosworth field. King Henry gives his speech to his soldiers and justifies his reasons for going into battle in a religious way.

2.3 ( from the book) Richard III's proclamation against Henry. Richard III claims that Henry's family is full of bastards and questions wether or not the Tudors royalty.

2.5 (from the hand out) it talked about how king edward died and left his 12 year old son as the heir. Edward's brother, Richard then took the crown and declared himself king.

Avis C

Derrick Johnson said...

I chose:

2.4 (from the book)Henry's Speech to his Army before the Battle of Bosworth Field because he is making it seems that he is making an appeal of faith to his followers in reference to his legitimacy and in opposition to the rule of Richard.

2.11 (from the book)Submission of Two Ulster chief's because to have to Irish chieftains submitting to English authority show's the kings ability to consolidate power.

2.10 (from the handout) Richard III's proclamation against Henry, earl of Richmond because unlike Henry who makes appeals to religious convictions, Richard seems to appeal to his followers patriotism by painting Henry and his family as a clan of underhanded backstabbers who have obtained help from England's enemy, France.

Anonymous said...

2.1 book
letters from a wife to her husband. it is interesting to know how much time it takes for mail to get from one person to another in this time period.

2.11 book
deals with two nobles from ireland who are forced to make submissions in order to show loyalty to the king.

2.15 handout
shows that even the clergy was held accountable for their actions.

Dan O.

 

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